Derracuda's Project Alpine 4kq *Comatose*

[Wizard-of-OD]

DRY SUMP!

[derracuda]

DRY SUMP!

DUH!!

[HT Motorsport]

:EDIT: the rotor would be super close to the ground if i ran them on the axle flanges.... so i'll have to leave them safely inside the wheels for now.

With 18's you will be high enough off the ground...

not if the engine and trans get lowered an inch

only an inch?

[derracuda]

ok, i don't want to "lay frame" as the truckin' boys say, but comon' an inch is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. i got enough else on my plate without thinking about dessert guys... if' i'm lucky, i'll be able to get an inch of rearward movement, which i think would provide an even nicer feeling 8)

[thegetawaycar]

you're going to have to detail this dry sump business. im amazed at how you can fab nearly anything you could ever want.

[Lt. Sarge]

When I think about Derek's cars, I touch myself.

[thegetawaycar]

Lt. Sarge wrote:[/quote]

When I think about Derek's cars, I touch myself.[/quote]

lol!

[Jretal]

so, at this point i'm gonna probably have to build a new front subframe, lower control arms, and i've got some nifty idears for upper control arms and coilover shocks

so you wouldn't by chance have some used delrin CA bushings for sale then, wouldja huh wouldja? :bump:


juuust curious as i need another set for the rear of my 4000

And nice work, that's going to look amazing! look forward to seeing how it progresses

[derracuda]

all the old delrin stuff from this car ended up on the zermatt car. so this will all be new stuff.

[Jretal]

all the old delrin stuff from this car ended up on the zermatt car. so this will all be new stuff.

ah well, couldn't hurt to ask Guess I'll give in eventually and pick up a new set down the road.

[Audilard]

Derek, those wheels look fantastic on the car. You've got to get this to work!!!

[derracuda]

i'm working on an affordable 5x130 solution here in the near future.... annndd there shall be an interesting front suspension update once of these days once I get it partly underway and it makes sense my hands are tied for a week or so more again as i'm back home in OR.

[s2 on the way]

that thing isn't going to lack the grip factor, nor the stopping power
not to mention, she sure looks perty on those wheels

[thegetawaycar]

derek, way back on page 2 you used some nifty mance mounts. where does one find these?

[ralleyquattro]

i'm working on an affordable 5x130 solution here in the near future....

Yeah, it's called H&R adapters, I used to have a set on my old Ur-q..



Mike H ended up with them and I think he might be persuaded to sell..

[Jretal]

derek, way back on page 2 you used some nifty mance mounts. where does one find these?

They're no longer sold. Have been replaced w/ pro-mounts, which are a pretty slick setup. You'll need to email Mance (VAP on AW) about them, or search the 80/90 forum on AW... lots 'o info on 'em there.

[yodasfro]

derek, way back on page 2 you used some nifty mance mounts. where does one find these?

They're no longer sold. Have been replaced w/ pro-mounts, which are a pretty slick setup. You'll need to email Mance (VAP on AW) about them, or search the 80/90 forum on AW... lots 'o info on 'em there.

2Bennett makes solid mounts. :wink:

[derracuda]

thegetawaycar- I pm'd you about the 2 mounts i have left.

Martin- adapters are a no go. minimal thickness i can find is 15mm, and that'll only allow me to run 7.5" front rims... not the 10" er's that i want


i'll have some cool suspension stuff to show you guys here in a bit. i don't gots CAD, but i do gots poster board it actually works nifty too!

[SeStone]

i'm working on an affordable 5x130 solution here in the near future....

Yeah, it's called H&R adapters, I used to have a set on my old Ur-q..



Mike H ended up with them and I think he might be persuaded to sell..

BONNER!!!

Sam

[nismo]

Whats a bonner? There's only ONE 'n' in BONER! :slap:

Eric

[Clouse]

derek, way back on page 2 you used some nifty mance mounts. where does one find these?

http://www.vintageaudiperformance.com/Mount-Savers.html

Looks to me like he's still selling them. As much as I like Mance, 034 sells mounts for cheaper that have the tops filled in with rubber rather than the plastic inserts Mance sells. I personally am using mance mounts on my 4kq and am happy, but if I had known, I'd probably have purchased 034's density line strut mounts.

[Hybrid_Hatch]

Whats a bonner? There's only ONE 'n' in BONER! :slap:

Eric

if yours was longer it would have two n's :wink:

[psychorallyfreak]

[nismo]

Whats a bonner? There's only ONE 'n' in BONER! :slap:

Eric

if yours was longer it would have two n's :wink:

Eric

[derracuda]

ok, wiener talk time is over. suspension time...


i made some templates of the approximate dimensions of the spindle, hub, original lower control arm length and their proper mounting places. what i first wanted to establish is what would be the effect of an upper control arm attached at the height of the strut tube where it bolts to the spindle, and going to the frame rail. at the given ride height i wish to roll at, it puts the upper control arm at a very steep angle, and only about 6" max length.

first thing is did was aquire some info and drawing materials...


here's with everything approximately where it would be as i first envisioned on the car. you can see the hub silhouette in there as well, but it's a separate piece stuck on.


the upper control arm is a total midget and it causes a HUGE camber gain in a 2" stroke( i gotta get me a protractor or something to figure out just how much). so i made a 2" longer upper control arm that would attach on top of the frame rail and that helped out some.

i also made a template of the wheel with the offset that i plan to use so that i don't get to far off track in my designs here in regards to scrub radius and stuff (still working on grasping all the concepts and how they all play a roll)

here's with the lower control arm in the stock mounting position..


and compressed 2"



this is with the lower control arm mounted 2" higher than stock (custom subframe obviously)


and compressed 2"



the camber curve is such that with my tires tucked just inside the fender lips... with 2inches of compression, the top will travel inward just over 1", and that will easily clear the shape of the fender lip. the plan is for maybe 5" of total suspension travel, 2.5" upward, and the same downward.

base ride height is 3.5" lower than stock.