5K uprights, and V8 hubs?

[greesha]

Is it possible?

I have a set of coilovers using 5000 uprights
They have a 5000 hub, part number 447 407 615 A, which I understand is the hub part number for the Quattro, 200, and 5000

These do not work with V8 axles, correct?

The v8 part number is 441 501 653 B, also the part number for the v8, s4/s6, 100, and A6 quattro

Is it possible to use the V8 hub in the 5000 upright?

[scubagli]

You can swap 200 outer cv's on the v8 axles.

[greesha]

You can swap 200 outer cv's on the v8 axles.

these would be the 200 quattro ones? 447498099? these use a bolt

where the 5000 ones use a nut to secure it, 431498099

[pilihp2]

The 200 does not use the same style hubs as the 5000. 200 and v8 both use the axle bolt. The 5000 uses the axle nut.
You can use 200 and v8 hubs in 5000 strut housings. Wheel bearings are the same dimensions between 5k and 200 housings.

[greesha]

The 200 does not use the same style hubs as the 5000. 200 and v8 both use the axle bolt. The 5000 uses the axle nut.
You can use 200 and v8 hubs in 5000 strut housings. Wheel bearings are the same dimensions between 5k and 200 housings.

So a 200 outer CV will not work, correct? And it is impossible to use the 5000 outer CV on a V8 axle?

Only reason I ask, is that the offset of the 5000 hub works best for my brake/ spacer/ wheel setup.
If not, I will just swap the hubs out.

thanks for all the help!

[pilihp2]

I'm not certain if the axle shafts are the same. The CV's are obviously different as you can tell.

[greesha]

The 200 does not use the same style hubs as the 5000. 200 and v8 both use the axle bolt. The 5000 uses the axle nut.
You can use 200 and v8 hubs in 5000 strut housings. Wheel bearings are the same dimensions between 5k and 200 housings.

the V8 wheel bearings must be different than the 200, because my machine shop says they wont fit, so I will post pics up tomorrow

[pilihp2]

I was incorrect in my first statements. 5k bearings have an 82mm O.D. and 42mm I.D
200, and v8 bearings have 82mm OD 43/45mm ID, one side being different than the other on the inside.
So the Inner diameter is slightly off from them. But v8 and 200 bearings are the same.

[greesha]

looks like the coilover uprights are using a 75mm OD wheel bearing
looks like they are 80/90 20v uprights after all

[greesha]

any ideas?

I looked up all the 75mm OD wheel bearings that came on Audis, and none of them have the correct ID to run the V8hubs, they have IDs of 39
What I am thinking now is if it is possible to run an axle that would correspond to the upright? My question is would I be able to both it up to the inner 016 trans side?

any suggestions would be great!

[pilihp2]

Pictures.

Pictures would help.

[greesha]

Pictures.

Pictures would help.

good news, received a call form bilstien the inserts are rebuildable, and in decent condition


Top: G60 V8 Uprights Bottom: Coilovers in question


Coilovers, with OE bearing pressed out

From behind, if it helps, caliper carrier mounting holes are spaced 95mm. Too much surface rust to make our a part number.


82mm OD bearing, too big


Left: V8 Hub Right: Coilvoer Hub, you can see they accept different axles


Left: Coilover hub part#: 447 407 615A Right: V8 ones part#: 441 501 653 B


Left: GNK/ Lobro 302150, which I believe is from Audi 100. This works with the hubs the coilers came with. Right: V8. V8 has more teeth, and is wider as well.

[greesha]

according to looking up other forums, the 75mm hub lasted until late 85, so 86 and up models, specifically 5000s used 82mm ones

I looked it up, and the 5000 and v8 axles are different lengths.
Would it be possible to find an 85 axle, and have the 5000 outboard spline welded onto my v8 axle?

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!