DE80q's 200tq Avant winter sled FAIL

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DE80q
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DE80q's 200tq Avant winter sled FAIL

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Here we go on another one. Today, VT10VT and I drove down to Virginia to pick up an '89 200TQ avant. I figured this would be a good winter driver, so some jack ass in his lowered civic doesnt lose it in the snow, and take out my 80tq project.

Here is the sled in all it glory!
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Just in case you are wondering, that is a rhyno liner paint job. I kind of thought it was interesting, and then we opened the doors, and say that the original color of the car was Lago blue, or somthing very similar :hammer: The PO got it this way, so couldnt blame him,

In general the car is in ok shape. Body is straight, engine runs pretty well, trans seems smooth, and suspension is in ok shape. I say ok, because it creeks a little, and I think I may need to replace the struts. The pass front cv shaft is completly F'ed and the Pass rear wheels brg is on its way out. The clutch master is leaking into the car, so I will have to replace that too.

On a good note, Shawn and I discovered somthing kind of interesting when we got back. This is an MC2 car! SWEET!
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Like I said the engine runs pretty well, the only problems I can find are, cold starts, and an odd hessitation in "high" boost. This is still a factory MAC14 car, and between 1.1 bar and 1.2 bar, there seems to be an odd hesitation in the engine. It is noticable enough, but doesnt seem to effect driveability. Maybe its just how this engine is. I have never driven one until today.

Now on to the problem I will need a little help with.

First the speedo. While driving it just kind of bounces around. Usualy about a 10MPH bounce, and when doing 75 it was around 45-55. Shawn said he thinks its a solder joint issue. If this is correct, then I think he said he would handle that part for me. The odom doent work either. I would assume that this is because of a gear issue, similar to the B3.

Also none of the locks seem to be working, at all. When I lock it with the key, nothing happens, locking wise, but it does set the alarm. Ask me how I know :D I cant even manually lock the doors. I tried, and couldnt push them down. Well, except the Driver rear door. there isnt even a lock plunger cominig out of the door panel :( Thinking it could be the controler, I looked at the relays under the dash. The panel was already out from the PO diagnosing the clutch master. Here is what I saw

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If you look on the far let, you will see a relay with no case on it. 3 spaces over there is nothing, and then 2 spaces over there is nothing but a jump wire. Not only that, but there is a fuse in the relay on the bottom row. Is this normal? There are 1 or 2 conectors not conected to anything under there, but nothing like the under dash on my B3. Can anyone tell me what is supposeed to be in the spot where there is nothing, and maybe what that jumper is for? Oh... and is that fuse supposed to be there?

And then there is the hatch.
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The complete rear wiper assemble was removed along with the sprayer. I know that people have done this before, but what do you use to plug the holes? The one for the wiper is quite large, and the one for the sprayer is less then half that size. Is there any specific plug type I should use?

And just for fun, here is the duo that made the 4hr trip back from VA, it was a pretty nice drive.
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This will be a non project. I just want to get it to run right, drive properly, and do what it is supposed to. Any tips for a new type44 owner would be great.
Last edited by DE80q on Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: DE80q's 200tqa winter sled

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Hey I actually considered going to pick this up myself. You stole my Avant! Haha congrats on the T44!

In my limited experience, I can't really offer much advice, but that cluster is definitely experiencing solder issues. I had those exact symptoms on mine (except I could whack the dash a few times to get it to read right), and it's since been resolved by resoldering.

I might get shot down for this :hide: but maybe check the vacuum lines for the door-locking system? I can manually lock mine even with the battery disconnected as long as there's vacuum.
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8-) The PO said I was the first to make him an offer so he took it. The car needs a lot of little things, but I drove it the over 200 miles back to PA and it seemed ok. Well, at least until the last 3 turns to my place. they are all tight 90 degree turns, and with a CV that has had a split boot for as long as the PO owned it, that is now completely dry, so its making quite a nasty sound, and one hell of a twitchy steering wheel.

I tried to smack the dash a few times but nothing happened. I guess Im going to have to pull out the cluster, and have shawn go over it. My hands shake a little too much for soldering.

As for the locks, its really strange, my 80 I can manually lock all the doors no problem. This thing just wont let me do it. Maybe I just didnt push hard enough... :lol:
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So I have most of the parts to fix this either here, or on the way. The only thing I havent really looked into yet is the door locks. Its seems really strange that I cant even manualy lock the doors. Has anyone ever had this problem?
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I just ordered a rear wheel bearing. Now, do I need one new snap ring, or two? For the time being, Im just going to replace the one that is going bad.
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Re: DE80q's 200tq Avant winter sled

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My new wheel bearing showed up yesterday. Now I just need to locate the cir-clip. Im going to call the local VW dealer. Im sure there are at least a few VWs that use the same cir-clip

Can anyone recomend a brand for te CV boot? There seem to be quite a few in a wide price range.
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Well called around to the local parts whores to find a CV boot this morning. Low and behold, NAPA had 1 in stock. Not only did they have one in stock, their price was lower then the rest! Needless to say, I ran out and grabbed it. YAY, now I just need Tim to get here with my other parts, and this will be driven again!

On a side note, I had some time to kill at work last night, so I did some research and then some measuring on the new wheel bearing and came up with this. Not too bad for just over an hour worth of machining. Image
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I figure why spend the crazy amount most tool dealers want for the entire kit, when all I needed was one for the 82mm bearing :foff: As long as it works to press my bearing out/in, Im good.

Yes, I know I could have gone to harbor freight and picked up a kit for $129.99, I figure this way I ended up making money 8-)
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Nice work, I love getting paid at work to make progress on car projects.
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Yeah, it worked out pretty well. Now I have a press for 82mm bearings.
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Turns out there was a few more problems than I noticed at first. The car needs pads and rotors on all 4 corners, and now there seems to be blue smoke from the exhaust on first start up. :bangshead: The smoke wasnt there until I went to drive it to my parents place to work on it. Im wondering if starting it up a few time for people without driving it allowed oil to collect somewhere, dont know though. After it stopped, there was no more smoke for the drive.

So, I have the rear rotors, fronts rotors are on the way. I can pick up rear organic pads for around $20 locally. As for the fronts, I want to put organic pads up there too. Just trying to save the new rotors. If I put cheap semi-metalic pads on the front, they will wear the rotos faster then the pads. Does anyone know of an organic pad for the G60 calipers? All I seem to be finding are either semi-metalic, or ceramic. This is a beater, so cheap is good, but I also dont want to have to replace the rotors more often then the pads. :hide:

Also, there seems to be a strange mix up with the front right CV shaft. The one that I removed from the car is a 31mm spline shaft. All the listings for this car and others that I have looked up are for a 28mm spline shaft. Needless to say, the joint I recieved was too small. Luckily for me, Tim has everything to build me a 28mm shaft. That should be here soon.

One thing that I have noticed is the one side of the rear seems to be sitting lower than the other. I have heard about the springs on these breaking. Does anyone have any BTDT on this? I havent been under the rear yet to see what it looks like. Also, what springs can I put under the rear of an Avant? would the 20v sedan springs be ok? I read they are a little stiffer then the 20v springs .

To date parts I have picked up just so I can inspect the car.
1. Clutch master
2. FR CV shaft
3. Rear wheel bearing
4. Rear rotors
5. Front rotors

And that is just so I can inspect the car here in PA. Im hoping that is all I will need. I keep telling myself, this is a beeter car, I got it for cheap and I knew I was going to have to work on it a little. I just didnt expect quite this much work. The brakes felt fine for the ride home, but as RS4tech pointed out, the rotors are toast. Oh... well... maybe its a good thing to do it now, and not hae to worry about it 6 months from now.

Thanks for reading along.
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So I have come accross a number of pads for the G60s. There are organic, semi-metalic, and ceramic. As stated befor, I would prefer to go organic on them, just to save the rotors, but I hvae found a number of semi-met pads all stating that they are the OE meterial. Is this true? If so, how long would I expect a rotor to last? 1 pad set?
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Well after everything I went through with this to get it, and try to fix it, the car is now being parted(not by me). While trying to put the ball joint back in after replacing the CV shaft, the pry bar slipped and went through the BONDO floor. This one is just not worth trying to fix. Oh... well.. live and learn I guess.
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bondo floor is fine - run it!
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Nope, will be picked up next weekend and then stripped. if you need any parts, keep an eye on the swap meet area, Im sure there will be a post.
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well you almost got to page two :/
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