Loxxrider's 200 20v Revver: See you on "The Project Pad"

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:34 pm

Another place to source bearings is to use the ones that are installed in the VW MK4 upper strut mount, you could install those between the upper perch and the strut mount. http://www.autohausaz.com/search/produc ... %20Bearing

I still like the idea of removing the entire rubber portion and going straight bearing there.

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:48 pm

Spherical thrust bearings are what we would want, SKF makes them among other companies//

http://www.sphericalsolutionsinc.ca/BEARINGS.html

http://www.skf.com/portal/skf/home/prod ... _1&lang=en

http://www.indiamart.com/bearingsales/i ... rings.html

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:02 am

Here is what my roommate and I had in mind...

in this pic, the bearing is mounted in the spacer somehow...tell me if the drawing here is not clear.

The bottom thing is the spring perch.

justrack · Post by **justrack** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:35 am

I think this would be a good way for the bearings to mount (though i don't think these are spherical)

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:47 pm

Well I went out to confirm that the car wont go lower just because the struts bottom out, and I wasn't surprised with what I saw.

Here is how it sits when I put them down.

this is with them at the current ride height (probably 1.5" of travel for the suspension at most). Its ridiculous cuz its not like I'm slammed or anything. Its lower than most, but not crazy.

They are at about the midway point on the sleeve. So I have plenty of room to go higher with the strut mounts up top while still maintaining a reasonable ride height.

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:27 pm

I was talking about mounting the bearing in the upper strut mount, after removing the rubber and the steel sleeve..I didn't get a chance today but tomorrow I will snap a shot of the ones in the roc..

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:41 pm

Cool, I'd like to see exactly what you are talking about.

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:11 pm

So maybe I'll hold onto this turbo for longer than I thought...

they make a compressor housing and new wheel that you can put on to make the comp side inducer 60mm...thats freakin awesome.

I'm concerned about the exhaust housing though. It might not make full boost until after 5k RPM which sucks. I'm talking to Goldfarb about getting a smaller housing so it will spool at 4k or below easily.

85oceanic · Post by **85oceanic** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:07 pm

That would be fun! You know a holset sounds like a good alternative to going expensive right off the bat. I may have to start considering doing the same thing if I want my 4kq to ever see the road.

derrish_vulf · Post by **derrish_vulf** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:41 pm

Could you copy a design similar to this?
http://www.ground-control-store.com/pro ... =642/CA=71

A buddy of mine has them on his civic. Legit night and day difference after we installed these. He was on the bumpstops of his Koni/GC set up, put these on and it rides WAY better, and he can go lower too :-)

I measured over the weekend and you have about 3/4s inch maybe more to go UP with the strut so its doable.

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:01 pm

yeah, they are awesome alternatives. (holsets)

Yes, i think I could make something pretty similar to that. That would be sweet. Custom shit! Thanks

I still like the idea of putting louvers in the hood to make more space for the strut mounts :-D

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:28 pm

Those bearings that are encased in a ring up there would work, you could weld them or bolt them to your upper strut plate.. I don't know if you want to put them in the actual spacer beacuse you wount be able to adjust camber anymore. Those GC Honda pieces are sweet, would be interesting to try to adapt them or make something similar. Here are some pics of my camber plates/spacrs on the rocco, they are very simplistic but were only 99.00 for the pair, plus the spacers. I got the whole lot from a company called eurospec, they supplied the spacers in 1/4" which you simply stack until the desired height is attained. I will eventually have my friend who owns a machine shop make a new pair of spacers 1" thick to replace the stacked ones. Trust me a MK1 VW has little suspension travel to begin with, and lowered MK1 on coils has virtually none to work with, but with the sports and the camber plates and spacers it works out just fine...Here are the pics, everything is really dirty right now sorry..

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loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:41 pm

The rocco is sweet.

So there is a hole in your top plate big enough to fit the top perch and spring through? Also a hole like that in the spacers?

Also, where exactly is the bearing in yours? All I know is that the spring has to be able to rotate freely with respect to the upper mount plate.

On that ground control upper mount, does it act as the upper spring perch too? I could draw what I'm talking about if its not clear.

scratch that ^^^ I have a new design. I want to make it on the computer so I can explain better. BUT if I did the bearing in the spacer/strut mount, but slotted the mounting plate, I could still have camber adjustment no?

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:12 am

The upper perch for the ground control kit fits through the spacer plates and rests under the bearing so that the whole shebang can rotate freely. The bearing plate is welded to the upper mounting plate, which is slotted for camber adjustment..
Wehn I get home i am going to mock something crude up and photo it..

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:34 am

Well, here is the reason I can't even eat this month

Hopefully they will do alright on the car for temporary use. If they don't supply enough fuel, then up with the fuel pressure!

Justin517 · Post by **Justin517** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:08 am

rather than making the entire plate and buying bearing and hardware you could probably find something for like a mustang or other very common popular vehicle for pretty cheap and adapt it to a custom spacer plate.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw ... &_osacat=0

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:48 am

Hmmm those first ones on the list look dangerously close to working, as long as the shock thread will fit into the bearing opening!! Good find mang..
loxx, are those 42lb injectors? If you need more pressure use a cis pump, I have them in my 20vt cars...

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:04 am

nuugen wrote:Hmmm those first ones on the list look dangerously close to working, as long as the shock thread will fit into the bearing opening!! Good find mang..
loxx, are those 42lb injectors? If you need more pressure use a cis pump, I have them in my 20vt cars...

Yeah, those do look pretty promising. As soon as I get the time and money to play with something like that, I'll be doing it for sure. Might just have to drill some holes or something.

Yeah they are 42lb. Why use a CIS pump? I thought the stock 200 20v pump was stout enough to take 4 bar or so with no problems. I know nothing about the CIS stuff.

cuatrokoop · Post by **cuatrokoop** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:08 am

Yes they are Cary, they were for my 20vt mutt motor, which I now have the PT to play with...

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:05 am

Big thanks to cuatrokoop for his patience with me paying for the injectors!

Justin517 · Post by **Justin517** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:18 am

CIS operates at 90+ psi in stock form.

Its kinda funny that the fuel pump found in 165hp cars is a nice upgrade for cars that come with over 200hp. lol.

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:23 am

oh haha thats interesting. OK so the pump operates at 90psi, but the FPR will limit it to 3 bar or whatever the FPR is set to of course. So what is the advantage of running that as opposed to a stock pump which will still do enough for 4 bar with a 4bar FPR or adjustable FPR? Can it just flow more fuel? or what.

bimmerboy · Post by **bimmerboy** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:04 pm

loxxrider wrote:oh haha thats interesting. OK so the pump operates at 90psi, but the FPR will limit it to 3 bar or whatever the FPR is set to of course. So what is the advantage of running that as opposed to a stock pump which will still do enough for 4 bar with a 4bar FPR or adjustable FPR? Can it just flow more fuel? or what.

The cis pumps are really good pumps, and I think are on par with the 005 pumps 034 sell. Since they are designed around CIS they have no problem flowing a lot at high pressures, where as a walbro or something is really losing flow at high pressures. But I think the 20v cars still have the old good pumps. I know V8qs still have the 60mm pump, where as UrS cars got the smaller(43 or 48mm I think)

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:14 pm

Yeah, I have the stock 20v pump and a V8 pump that I can choose from. They seem to be pretty identical. I thought they were basically one step below a Bosch 044...which makes them pretty capable. I really don't know for sure what I am talking about here though, so I'm just asking questions.

death 4kqt · Post by **death 4kqt** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:26 pm

im on the stock 20v 90 pump in my car, FWIW. They might be similar to the 200 20vt pump, but im not sure.