Loxxrider's 200 20v Revver: See you on "The Project Pad"

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:03 pm

If anyone wants my old UFO's I really need the money from them...$150 bux and they are yours (or make an offer) plus shipping.

Then I can finally afford to finish the Holset

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:54 pm

Just want to say that Goldfarb and Associates is the coolest place ever. Not only do they have thousands of used turbos for sale on the cheap, I called them today to either get measurements for v-bands for my H1C, or to get some flanges and clamps from them and they told me they could pretty much just give me some if I call later tomorrow.

Thats some customer service!

Can't wait to see how this thing performs.

85oceanic · Post by **85oceanic** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:48 pm

Going to be SICK!!!!!

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:26 pm

Woohoo I just scored a roof rack (as long as the deal doesn't go sour for some reason). Found it on CL for cheap. Special thanks to KUMA for finding it!!!! You are the man.

I convinced my mom that it would make the perfect x-mas present, so I wont have pics 'till then

Also getting injectors from cuatrokoop soon.

Will be talking to Goldfarb tomorrow to see about those vbands. After that, the only thing I'll need is oil lines and then the holset can go on

derrish_vulf · Post by **derrish_vulf** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:40 pm

I forgot you had the big ass brakes too, damn im jealous!!

What manifold are you going to be running?

derrish_vulf · Post by **derrish_vulf** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:42 pm

loxxrider wrote:I had so much fun driving the car today.

and THAT is what is all about. Its nice to know all your aggro with the EMS and all the other stuff came together. :thumbsup:

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:58 pm

Yes, its all been worth it now that it has finally all come together (mostly).

I will just be running stock manifold on the holset :hide:

I want to see how much power I can make on it if its even a restriction at all with the power I want to make. My thought is that it should be fine up around 350awhp. Above that it may pose a problem. I dunno though, its decently sized for what it is.

How am I planning on running it with a T3 turbo? Just drill out/modify the holes on the turbine side of my holset to match the holes on the manifold

Now that I've got you in here, I'll get some things written down that have been floating thru my head. I'm kinda aggravated that I can't go lower in the front with this car (due to shocks bottoming out). I REALLY don't want to go thru the trouble of shortening the strut housings and getting shorter strut inserts.

Sooo next course of action would be to extend the strut towers upwards some...I haven't looked to see how much room there is under the hood. I know there isn't much, but I think one might be able to get away with an inch? Maybe put some louvers in the hood right where the shock towers are to make some more clearance for them...haha

I can't believe I am considering that, but its just something thats been floating around in my head. If I do something like that it wont be anytime soon.

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:05 pm

That's strange, my cars don't bottom out, and I only have 400lb'ers in the front. You can gain between a half inch to an inch by raising the strut mount location. I did it on my scirocco by getting camber plates and spacers--the company provided me with 1" aluminum spacers, but they were very simple so you could probably fab them up yourself..I just went out and looked under the hood of my white car, the hood is closed but the engineand core support are out, so I got a clear view of the strut-vs-hood area. If you aren't too scared to do a little cutting(i'm certainly not), then there is extra real estate to be found by removing the first layer of sheet metal directly above the strut..And you can probably adjust and raise the rear edge of the hood a little too for a tad more clearance..

85oceanic · Post by **85oceanic** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:14 pm

Whoo hoo looks like progress. Can't wait to hear how the holset does!

Justin517 · Post by **Justin517** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:22 pm

where does the upper spring perch rest on? the strut mount? I'm kinda having a hard time visualizing it...

could you space the upper mount up more at all? you know, the one that is held in with the inner 3 bolts...

longer studs or bolts in the plate that was your upper spring perch with the stock springs, some tube spacers, maybe with some bar welded between them for rigidity, then pop the upper mount on top of that... might buy you a few fractions of an inch.

unless your upper spring perch rests on the old OE spring perch?

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:32 pm

Thank you so much for the reply as usual.

I THINK I'm bottoming out...I'll have to get a really good look, but I'm almost positive it is. This is with the coils ALL the way down and 6" springs.

I'm not sure if I follow about the plates and spacers. The struts mount from the bottom of the strut towers, so how can you get them to go higher up unless they mounted from the top?

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:42 pm

Justin517 wrote:where does the upper spring perch rest on? the strut mount? I'm kinda having a hard time visualizing it...

could you space the upper mount up more at all? you know, the one that is held in with the inner 3 bolts...

longer studs or bolts in the plate that was your upper spring perch with the stock springs, some tube spacers, maybe with some bar welded between them for rigidity, then pop the upper mount on top of that... might buy you a few fractions of an inch.

unless your upper spring perch rests on the old OE spring perch?

My upper spring perch for the 2.5" springs rests below the old OE perch...the reason for this was to retain a good contact for the strut bearing. I really couldn't think of a better way to do it.

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:47 pm

How about this idea:
Cut a 1" thick spacer plate from aluminum. Mark the center of it and make an opening big enough for the upper perch to pass through. Then remove the studs from the OE mounting ring, and counter sink bolts/studs into the top of the spacer plate that will go down through the mounting ring--note, don't use the pre-existing holes left by the studs for this, drill them away from those holes and make new holes in the mounting ring.. Put nuts from the underside to secure the spacer on...
Before bolting the spacer on, mark the spots where your upper strut mount would need to bolt to---lay the spacer on the mounting ring, and mark them through the holes left by the studs that you removed. drill out the holes, and press new studs in from underneath. Use studs that are appropriate length to reach through the 1" spacer and the upper mount plate..

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:06 pm

nuugen wrote:How about this idea:
Cut a 1" thick spacer plate from aluminum. Mark the center of it and make an opening big enough for the upper perch to pass through. Then remove the studs from the OE mounting ring, and counter sink bolts/studs into the top of the spacer plate that will go down through the mounting ring--note, don't use the pre-existing holes left by the studs for this, drill them away from those holes and make new holes in the mounting ring.. Put nuts from the underside to secure the spacer on...
Before bolting the spacer on, mark the spots where your upper strut mount would need to bolt to---lay the spacer on the mounting ring, and mark them through the holes left by the studs that you removed. drill out the holes, and press new studs in from underneath. Use studs that are appropriate length to reach through the 1" spacer and the upper mount plate..

Wow that is a lot to visualize. I'm not quite sure I follow without a picture. First thing I dont see is how the upper perch would fit thru any kind of spacer. That upper perch is like 8 inches in diameter lol. I can't make out where exactly the spacer is sitting? What exactly is the mounting ring? All I can think of is the upper spring perch, then strut bearing, then the mount that bolts up into the strut tower.

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:09 pm

SCRAP THAT POST!!
OMG you guys got me freakin wheels turnin, its midnight here and I HAD to go out to the garage and start mucking around with this! :bump:
After looking at this, I realized I made it much more complex than necessary.
OK, basically, just cut the spacer plate, mark it and drill the holes where the curent studs in the OE plate are...Press the OE studs out, and press new studs in that are 1" longer. Make sure to cut a hole in the center for the upper spring perch to pass through. Aluminum plate makes for a nice sturdy platform for the upper mount to sit on.
Two ideas on the upper mount. Get a bearing to rest between the perch and the mount, or scrap the rubber portion altogether and get a spherical bearing in there (a-la camber plate style) That alone will free up a half inch or so..

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nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:11 pm

My upper perches are only slightly bigger than the coilover spring itself, why are your so large?

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:16 pm

nuugen wrote:My upper perches are only slightly bigger than the coilover spring itself, why are your so large?

Oh, I thought you meant the stock perch...cuz I'm utilizing the stock perches still above the coilover spring perches (again, to ensure good surface for the strut bearing to sit on)

I still have to read the post above so hang in there

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:20 pm

Ohhhh ditch those and use a bearing..

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:24 pm

Well that seems like it would fee up a good bit of travel. Dammit I dont want to take this suspension apart again lol. If I do do it however, I want to make sure I never have to take it apart again...so I'd probably do the spacer too so I wanna figure it out for sure.

I'll have to go out and look.

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:27 pm

And when you say use a bearing...what kind of bearing. Just a smaller one that will sit on top of the coil spring hats?

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:31 pm

Yes, a heavy-load spherical bearing like the ones used in camber plates would do. Or the aforementioned idea of removing the whole rubber mount and installing a spehrical there, my roc has those in the camber plates..

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:57 pm

OK I just went down to look at the car, and now it totally makes sense. I was making things so much more complicated before.

So there would be an aluminum mounting ring between the plate that mounts the strut to the strut tower, and the other plate that normally sits on top of that one.

Then since the upper spring perch (assuming original is thrown away) will come up when the strut mount comes up, it will interfere with the plate that mounts to the strut tower and also possibly with the spacer ring, so they will have to have holes in them big enough to fit the perch through them.

Now the only thing I have to look into is how those bearings work. I've never seen the ones that sit in camber plates.

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:22 pm

I will take a pic tomorrow

nuugen · Post by **nuugen** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:24 pm

Oh, and the spring perch will fit right through the opening in the OE mounting plate, just cut your spacer hole the same diameter..My pics didn't really show it up there, the perch passes right through

loxxrider · Post by **loxxrider** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:27 pm

OK I completely get it now. I have a drawing, will post it up in a bit. Then you can see if its exactly what you were talking about.

Now I just need a good source for spherical bearings and how I can mount that in whatever spacer I make.

haha this is going to be the most custom 200 20v suspension ever.