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Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:52 am
by auditude
I've never used it myself, but I understand naval jelly is effective at cleaning aluminum nicely.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:02 pm
by amd is the best
So I ordered some injectors. I went with the Siemens Deka 870cc high impedance injectors. Should be way more then enough fuel.
Clutch will be here tomorrow, turbo and other treats friday! VEMS is the last thing to get
auditude wrote:I've never used it myself, but I understand naval jelly is effective at cleaning aluminum nicely.
I'll have to look into that, thanks!
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:08 pm
by amd is the best
More progress!
Brackets, alternator and a/c compressor back on:
New transmission in with all the 034 engine/trans mounts installed as well:
New clutch (ClutchNet red PP and 6 puck sprung hub):
New injectors (Siemens Deka 870cc @ 3bar):
Installed in the rail:
In the manifold looking very pretty. You can also see a bit of the brand new OEM dipstick and oil cap
:
Difference between the 01E and 016 mainshaft sizes:
Turbo and other 034 goodies got held up a day by weather/UPS and will be here on Monday. VEMS standalone will be here Monday or Tuesday as well. Will be driving Wednesday or Thursday!
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:36 pm
by jcarrick
Looking awesome! Wow, that is a huge difference on those mainshafts. I didnt realize they were that different...
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:40 pm
by amd is the best
jcarrick wrote:Looking awesome! Wow, that is a huge difference on those mainshafts. I didnt realize they were that different...
Thanks man! I didn't know myself until today. The clutch didn't come with an alignment tool so I remembered I had my old mainshaft out of my S4's 01E and though hell, maybe that will work good for an alignment tool. Well that was clearly a FAIL! So I figured I'd share the pics. If another 016 snaps, 01E will be going in
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:51 pm
by jcarrick
Ohhh, i thought you were 01E swapping. Gotcha. Im guessing that is more of a fluke deal, but who knows. Keep us updated on the VEMS install, i will have mine ordered monday or tuesday
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:36 pm
by loxxrider
nice, that will be some quick work if you get it all dialed in by thursday
AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:53 am
by amd is the best
jcarrick wrote:Ohhh, i thought you were 01E swapping. Gotcha. Im guessing that is more of a fluke deal, but who knows. Keep us updated on the VEMS install, i will have mine ordered monday or tuesday
I've got a spare 01E that just needs the 1-2 collar waiting for the 200. I wasn't intending on going as crazy as I did with all this stuff right away and had already picked up an 016 (thinking the power was going to stay somewhat stock, LOL). I'll run it until it breaks then on to the 01E (6 speed).
loxxrider wrote:nice, that will be some quick work if you get it all dialed in by thursday
I can't wait to go out tuning the thing. I'm hoping the weather will cooperate. I'm prob going to tune mine from scratch but you mentioned you'd share your maps. I'd like to maybe just poke around in them for reference. Also, I've been meaning to ask you, how hard will it be to run the coil harness and wideband harness through the firewall grommet into the bay? Should I wait to put the engine in or was it fairly easy?
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:34 am
by Camber
i love how im chatting with you in that pic. i looked and like i know that car and then i see me lol. lookin good, thats suuper clean for how many miles.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:36 am
by amd is the best
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:29 am
by loxxrider
lol guess I didn't see your post in time to tell you whether or not do do it with the engine in. Good thing its perfectly easy to do it with the engine in
OK so you've got 870cc injectors...soooo my map wont work for you right out of the box. Also my car has this really strange place around 3k where it needs a shit ton of fuel for some reason. Not sure if your car will do the same. Mine only got that after switching turbo and manifolds. Anyway, Marc will get you setup with a decent little base map. If you want, you can just run everything I'm running right now and just adjust your main req fuel number such that your car idles appropriately on my map. If you get that to happen, then you should be ready to go out and take some low boost runs while watching the AFR. I'm sure it will be relatively safe that way and then you can add or take away fuel as needed.
I'd be more than happy to talk it over on the phone and or take a look at your logs and make adjustments as necessary if you'd like.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:01 am
by gtn116
I may borrow your tint scheme on the rear lights to do to my car...
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:37 am
by Marc
box of goodies is en-route
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:44 pm
by amd is the best
Went home on my lunch break and had to do some quick test shots!
loxxrider wrote:lol guess I didn't see your post in time to tell you whether or not do do it with the engine in. Good thing its perfectly easy to do it with the engine in
OK so you've got 870cc injectors...soooo my map wont work for you right out of the box. Also my car has this really strange place around 3k where it needs a shit ton of fuel for some reason. Not sure if your car will do the same. Mine only got that after switching turbo and manifolds. Anyway, Marc will get you setup with a decent little base map. If you want, you can just run everything I'm running right now and just adjust your main req fuel number such that your car idles appropriately on my map. If you get that to happen, then you should be ready to go out and take some low boost runs while watching the AFR. I'm sure it will be relatively safe that way and then you can add or take away fuel as needed.
I'd be more than happy to talk it over on the phone and or take a look at your logs and make adjustments as necessary if you'd like.
Haha, glad it's easy then. VEMS should be here tomorrow! W00t!
I plan on just tuning it from scratch. No offence towards you but although the same engine there are/could be quite a few variables that I just don't want to risk. I was just going to browse through your file to get accustomed to VEMSTune and maybe the accel enrichments but I really do appreciate your offer! I'll be sure to post logs/videos/dyno and whatnot up here as they come.
I've tuned quite a few MegaSquirted cars in the past and am not a newb to tuning but I am certainly no pro. I'll start start real conservative with the timing, maybe even lock the whole ignition map at 10 degrees and tune the fuel. 11.5-11.9 under boost is usually what I shoot for. Then start throwing some timing in there. Hows your car idle?
gtn116 wrote:I may borrow your tint scheme on the rear lights to do to my car...
Cool with me man!
a4kquattro wrote:box of goodies is en-route
Schweet!!!! Can't wait!
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:08 pm
by loxxrider
amd is the best wrote:[/quote]
Haha, glad it's easy then. VEMS should be here tomorrow! W00t!
I plan on just tuning it from scratch. No offence towards you but although the same engine there are/could be quite a few variables that I just don't want to risk. I was just going to browse through your file to get accustomed to VEMSTune and maybe the accel enrichments but I really do appreciate your offer! I'll be sure to post logs/videos/dyno and whatnot up here as they come.
I've tuned quite a few MegaSquirted cars in the past and am not a newb to tuning but I am certainly no pro. I'll start start real conservative with the timing, maybe even lock the whole ignition map at 10 degrees and tune the fuel. 11.5-11.9 under boost is usually what I shoot for. Then start throwing some timing in there. Hows your car idle?
[/quote]
No offense taken, just thought I'd offer. So what exactly do you want to see then?
Anyway, I don't know about locking the timing down...doesn't make much sense to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't holding timing static be completely pointless as far as how much fuel you will require when you change the timing? If you lock it at 10 degrees, the car is going to feel like shit in the higher RPMs and such. Where you might need 25+ degrees of timing, you'd really be slowing yourself down.
My car idles awesomely...like stock. Sometimes it gets a little chunky, but thats because I have it very lean.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:22 pm
by amd is the best
loxxrider wrote:amd is the best wrote:
Haha, glad it's easy then. VEMS should be here tomorrow! W00t!
I plan on just tuning it from scratch. No offence towards you but although the same engine there are/could be quite a few variables that I just don't want to risk. I was just going to browse through your file to get accustomed to VEMSTune and maybe the accel enrichments but I really do appreciate your offer! I'll be sure to post logs/videos/dyno and whatnot up here as they come.
I've tuned quite a few MegaSquirted cars in the past and am not a newb to tuning but I am certainly no pro. I'll start start real conservative with the timing, maybe even lock the whole ignition map at 10 degrees and tune the fuel. 11.5-11.9 under boost is usually what I shoot for. Then start throwing some timing in there. Hows your car idle?
[/quote]
No offense taken, just thought I'd offer. So what exactly do you want to see then?
Anyway, I don't know about locking the timing down...doesn't make much sense to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't holding timing static be completely pointless as far as how much fuel you will require when you change the timing? If you lock it at 10 degrees, the car is going to feel like shit in the higher RPMs and such. Where you might need 25+ degrees of timing, you'd really be slowing yourself down.
My car idles awesomely...like stock. Sometimes it gets a little chunky, but thats because I have it very lean.[/quote]
You're right about the fuel changing with the timing, but it only changes a bit. In the past when starting from scratch I will lock the timing somewhere around 10-12 degrees and rough tune the fuel. I'll then throw in some safe timing under boost (especially where the torque spike is) and slowly add more in towards redline. Under cruise or anything below 100kpa I'll put it somewhere 30deg +. After I've added in some timing I'll then go back and re-adjust the fuel map to make up for the slight changes from adding in the timing.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:50 am
by amd is the best
There was just an unfortunate series of mix-ups with the EMS systems but between Marc and I we got everything all sorted out. Had the car out last night and did some rough tuning but it's misfiring pretty bad and sounding like a subaru, haha. Picking up a new set of BKR7E's tonight and will try another set of wires if needed when I'm out of work.
Quick vid (you can hear the misfire, but also the glorious 30r
):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBkmDRKXr6kUpdates to follow!
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:20 am
by JonathanL
Nicee. sounds of the gods in that vid
you should just email Marc a few data logs and have him make the changes, I hear people have well, best results that way
just my 2c
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:21 am
by Marc
amd is the best wrote:[/quote]
There was just an unfortunate series of mix-ups with the EMS systems but between Marc and I we got everything all sorted out. Had the car out last night and did some rough tuning but it's misfiring pretty bad and sounding like a subaru, haha. Picking up a new set of BKR7E's tonight and will try another set of wires if needed when I'm out of work.
Quick vid (you can hear the misfire, but also the glorious 30r
):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBkmDRKXr6kUpdates to follow![/quote]
before I forget to remind you, in the shuffle of changing firmware and stuff while we were resolving the ignition mixup, you'll want to check your wideband calibrations. under base setup->ecu calibrations, your wideband o2 calibration constant should be 175, pump0 should be 101, and nernst DC target should be 134. just double check those settings.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:37 am
by amd is the best
JonathanL wrote:Nicee. sounds of the gods in that vid
you should just email Marc a few data logs and have him make the changes, I hear people have well, best results that way
just my 2c
Not a bad idea and thank you!
a4kquattro wrote:amd is the best wrote:
There was just an unfortunate series of mix-ups with the EMS systems but between Marc and I we got everything all sorted out. Had the car out last night and did some rough tuning but it's misfiring pretty bad and sounding like a subaru, haha. Picking up a new set of BKR7E's tonight and will try another set of wires if needed when I'm out of work.
Quick vid (you can hear the misfire, but also the glorious 30r
):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBkmDRKXr6kUpdates to follow![/quote]
before I forget to remind you, in the shuffle of changing firmware and stuff while we were resolving the ignition mixup, you'll want to check your wideband calibrations. under base setup->ecu calibrations, your wideband o2 calibration constant should be 175, pump0 should be 101, and nernst DC target should be 134. just double check those settings.[/quote]
Should I flash back to the newer firmware that was originally loaded on my ECU first? I'll be sure to do that! Will I have to do the free air calibration again as well?
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:08 am
by loxxrider
definitely free air it again. Its good to know your wideband is at least as accurate as it can be.
btw, what plug wires and what coils are you running? If you are running LS2-type coils and need to see if the plug wires are the culprit, you can use your stock wires that used to go to the dizzy.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:13 am
by amd is the best
loxxrider wrote:definitely free air it again. Its good to know your wideband is at least as accurate as it can be.
btw, what plug wires and what coils are you running? If you are running LS2-type coils and need to see if the plug wires are the culprit, you can use your stock wires that used to go to the dizzy.
I'll def free air calibrate it again and I have two sets of wires (3B and 7a's) that I'll try swapping around. I am running the LS2 coils.
Thanks for the tips!
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:21 am
by loxxrider
ah OK. I'm running my stock wires right now as well, so if it misfires on both sets of yours, I'd definitely rule those out. Plugs it is I suppose. I've had OK luck with BKR7e's on this engine. If that doesn't work, have Marc send you some FR5DTC's. Those are the benchmark for misfire testing in my opinion. I've done PLENTY of it unfortunately.
BTW, I just got a chance to look at the vid...looks like you aren't even in much boost when its misfiring?
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:28 am
by amd is the best
loxxrider wrote:ah OK. I'm running my stock wires right now as well, so if it misfires on both sets of yours, I'd definitely rule those out. Plugs it is I suppose. I've had OK luck with BKR7e's on this engine. If that doesn't work, have Marc send you some FR5DTC's. Those are the benchmark for misfire testing in my opinion. I've done PLENTY of it unfortunately.
BTW, I just got a chance to look at the vid...looks like you aren't even in much boost when its misfiring?
It's misfiring at idle even.
Re: AMD's 91 200q Project
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:32 am
by loxxrider
Well then...that is pretty bad. Very curious to know what its causing that. If its misfiring at idle, sounds like you've got a cylinder down completely for one reason or another. Have you pulled the plug boots up while its running to see if one isn't getting spark?
