Hanks URQ 2.6L Autopsy

[a_CQ]

Alright. I am still not a believer that what you describe is faster way through the turn, overall, regardless of you feeling that you can put more power down on the exit. Anyways...hope your next event you can have somebody who's willing to work with you a bit more. You should just road trip to Chicago this summer...might want to leave the kid/wife at home though..and get Dave out. He's turning into that typical Italian with a shining rag..

[Quattro v1.0]

Hank, going back to the top in relation to the exhaust. Do you think its possible to use a pipe expander on the aluminum in order to give you some overlap rather than putting the stresses on the weld alone?

[foxbat]

Here's a couple of shots I got. Not the best lens, or photographer though. I've got several more, but they aren't uploading here for some reason.

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[Hank]

Thanks for the pictures Sean.

Dave, I think the weld failed because I had i hard mounted it to the left to keep it from rubbing on the larger 108mm axle i put in. I think it just had a bunch of stress on it, and it finally went. I'll make a few revisions and run it again, naturally.

Peter, no doubt, if you can get traction out of a turn with 1 wheel under power, the turn will be faster and the exit speeds will be as fast with an open diff. But I would wager that I was 10mph slower on the shorter straits, and 15mph slower on the main strait with the rears locked. Figure the straits make up about 20% of the track, that is a bit of time, and it isn't even taking into account the fact that the braking consistancy of a locked rear axle.

While the IMSA and GTO cars never ran locked rears, but rather high biased clutchpacks, they used the same "reckless" style. They would cram into the corner with an early apex trail braking and rotation. They would then pour on the power and slide over the apex to the runout.

[quattro87]

Seriously though - thanks for the drive buddy

What? Did you forget that you ran another session in a ahhhhem 20vt Urq? :wink:



That does it.....I'm putting a 20vt in the car. By the way Peter, I was running open diffs and I'm not convinced that Hank was a whole lot faster in the tight crap than me with all of my 165hp, but my oh my he blew by me a few times on the straights. Good times!!

[Quattro v1.0]

Seriously though - thanks for the drive buddy

What? Did you forget that you ran another session in a ahhhhem 20vt Urq? :wink:

OOps well, not really forgot - heck I can't complain, I spent one session driving Hanks car, one driving Johns stock UrQ, one driving my student's Carrera 4S, one in the Red Pill and a Couple in the Blue Pill... And John, that stock UrQ was doing better than you think for all of its 160HP - plus the suspension made for a nice trip around the track.

I was completely exhausted by the end of the weekend, and I only had an hours drive home. The SoCal guys are troopers, 3-5 hour ride home after a weekend full of on-track driving is wicked.

[EDIGREG]

Looks like a great trip Hank.

She looked over at me and asked me to turn on the AC

Lol BTDT

[Audilard]

quattro v1.0 wrote:[/quote]

Seriously though - thanks for the drive buddy

What? Did you forget that you ran another session in a ahhhhem 20vt Urq? :wink:

OOps well, not really forgot - heck I can't complain, I spent one session driving Hanks car, one driving Johns stock UrQ, one driving my student's Carrera 4S, one in the Red Pill and a Couple in the Blue Pill... And John, that stock UrQ was doing better than you think for all of its 160HP - plus the suspension made for a nice trip around the track.

I was completely exhausted by the end of the weekend, and I only had an hours drive home. The SoCal guys are troopers, 3-5 hour ride home after a weekend full of on-track driving is wicked.[/quote]


Don't forget the traffic. Jimmy got home at midnight. It was spring break last weekend.

[Audilard]

I love it when I read the experiences others have in Hank's car. There really aren't many words to describe it, the experience is like no other.

[topher]

Great update, Really enjoyed reading it!

[audifreakjim]

I'll post in the GTG thread, but yeah, great event!
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[85oceanic]

Woot!!! Looks like a great time Hank!!!!

[Jretal]

glad you had fun! While the handling dynamics of the locked rear aren't great, I agree w/ the lack of traction. I ran into issues where I was lifting/spinning my inside rear on my 4000 after the 20vt swap, and that was only w/ 195ish whp vs your 550!

You will always lose a little time w/ a locked regardless of what car you're driving b/c you're technically scrubbing one tire, which will slow you down.

And Sean, what you're feeling is how I felt after driving Wiley's 4000... my car felt (and still feels) slightly inadequate

[Hapster]

Hey Hank

Great job at the track. I've not had the type of challenge that you had with instructors at past events. Keep us all informed.

Hap, with some kind of jobbing near Everboost, Maguire

[Hank]

I still had a hell of a time. The instructor was pretty good. I mean, honestly, quite a bit was required of him. He had a fairly new track driver in arguably the hardest car to drive at the event. He had to teach me a new track layout, work on car dynamics, and make sure he got home safely. This car is terrifying from the passenger seat. When I went with Sean, there were a few times I caught myself clinching my teeth, which is a fear mechanism of mine. When we would go down one of the big sweepers on the track at 110, I would see him in the corner of my eye letting his hands pump in order to relieve anxiety. Poor guy.

I just wish he would have trusted me a tad more and help me learn my car. The instructor comments you turn in reflected a terrifying car, not really the driver.. Okay, maybe the driver a little too!

[speeding-g60]

man this sounds like so much fun....

i recognize that mustached man in the white helmet with the s**t eating grin. i didnt know Herr UrQ made the event, didnt do the math when you reported earlier that Father and Son made the track with two Ur's....

[WRC]

I still had a hell of a time. The instructor was pretty good. I mean, honestly, quite a bit was required of him. He had a fairly new track driver in arguably the hardest car to drive at the event. He had to teach me a new track layout, work on car dynamics, and make sure he got home safely. This car is terrifying from the passenger seat. When I went with Sean, there were a few times I caught myself clinching my teeth, which is a fear mechanism of mine. When we would go down one of the big sweepers on the track at 110, I would see him in the corner of my eye letting his hands pump in order to relieve anxiety. Poor guy.

I just wish he would have trusted me a tad more and help me learn my car. The instructor comments you turn in reflected a terrifying car, not really the driver.. Okay, maybe the driver a little too!

Hank, I had a very similar experience the first time I took my 4kqt on a track. My instructor seemed to be scared shitless. His vib really didn't help me feel comfortable and all I was was worried about making a mistake.

I've since had some really good instructors, Justin included. :-)

[Hank]

Next year, I am making Sean be my instructor, or I am throwing a fit at the drivers meeting If Jim would get his butt in gear, perhaps he could instruct me too in between sessions of tossing his poor banana around.

[audiPete]

Let's face it, it takes a certain level of confidence to be in the passenger seat of a car at a high performance driving event. Even more when the vehicle has over 300 hp, and you don't have access to the steering wheel or brakes. Add a few more hundred hp and you compound the issue.

I recall talking about this with some of the NAAC instructors....back around 2000, you dealt mostly with cars under 200hp and an occasional 250-300 hp Bimmer or Porsche...now, the skies the limit.

My last event as a yellow student I was in a run group with 911s, Corvettes, and an RS6....in my stockish 150kmile CQ with something less than 160 hp...I had fun, but killed my tires playing in the group....and my late braking coming off the main straight to keep some speed going into the corners had my instructor a bit nervous too.

[Audilard]

This car is terrifying from the passenger seat.

Understatement.

Sideways UP an on-ramp and hitting 115 before you get half way up. 2nd and 3rd gear acceleration so sudden and forceful, yet nowhere and nothing to grab onto on the passenger side. Putting one foot on one side of the footwell and the other on the other side for stability doesn't help either. 100% pure adrenaline, with half of that from the fear of being handcuffed on the side of the freeway for all the world to see.

I don't blame your instructor at all!!!

[a_CQ]

Peter, I agree with you to an extent, however, if you are going to instruct, you really need to be prepared for this sort of scenario. There are ways to control the nOOb driver in a very fast car, it just takes more work and much faster response on your end as instructor. It is imperative you cover the basics with the student beforehand. There is also a duty of event organizer to pair up students and instructors properly - don't put a new instructor in this car. Same as you wouldn't necesarily put new instructor with well advanced driver sometime.

I'm sure the car is fast, but just imagine how much faster it would be if that instructor was driving it as his own? For that reason, instructor should be ok in there. Of course,there are extreme examples, and Hank's car might just be one of them. I certainly don't know for sure, but would love to right-seat him.

[Hank]

Pretty cool picture from Sean from last weekend..

[a_CQ]

Nice...find some action shots!

Hank, not sure if you mentioned this but what tires did you end up getting? Liked them? No? ...

[Hank]

I ended up with 245-40-17s in Hankook Venus v12s. I like them quite a bit. Very quiet on the freeway and breaking loose but pretty good grip. They are pretty narrow for the contact patch because of a very round shoulder when compared to other 245s but people swear by them for an entry level high performance summer that can put up with a track day or two. I will try to put 9" x 17s on soon and try them in 265-40s next time around I think.

[Mcstiff]

Not much chunking?

I liked my 'kook R-S2s and have been shopping the R-S3s and a few others for this summer. But those look like a good value if they can take what you dish out.