Tim's '86 BLAZE 4kq EPIC PROGESS!!!!

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Tim's '86 BLAZE 4kq EPIC PROGESS!!!!

Postby my2000apb » Wed May 05, 2010 11:56 am

I purchased this 4kq from a member here, CooterIFY, and my friend, Toph, who will be registering here soon too, bought his 200 10vt as part of a package deal. He was being deployed and would be unable to store the cars, so we will be takign over where he left off, in the preservation and modification of the cars!!!

it has about 175k miles, there is a bit of surface rust, and several small dents and plenty of minor dings. although all my windows work, the sunroof works and closes/opens swiftly, Both power windows work! te interior is UBER clean, i may end up swapping the dash to my T-red car ahaha, it also has an almost fully functional trip computer.

the car was originally zermatt, but was sprayed over with some zermattish, but much lower quaility paint.
the gas gauge doesnt work, prob jsut the level sender
a/c doesnt work but all the parts are there
also cruise control doesnt work but the parts are all there aswell

as i already have a minty clean summer only 4kq, so this ones getting comissioned to year round duty, ill remove the a/c most likely, eventually itll be converted to a 16vT, as to lighten up the front of the car a lot, and maybe even a front mount radiator!!!

this car wil be primarily for all over beater use, and major winter use!!! i need to find a large packasport roofbox, and this thing with locked diff;s will be a truly unstoppable snow/ski trip mobile!!!


WOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!




yes and the color has changed, the oversprayed Zermatt is out, and a better color for a snowbound mega ski trip car is partially on the car and only getting better looking!!




Modified($) Build Specs budget style
car 700
16v 9a head, built w/cams, lifters,and a 3 angle job 400
ABA bottom end freebie
urS4 O1E transmission 250
oem 4kq rear locker had it already
equalish length tubular header few hundo
custom intake manifold a few beers
oem aan 20vT tb had it
oem 3b wastegate and flex pipe had it already
VEMS
custom downpipe 3"
custom engine mount arms made by me
630's 120
aeb oil pan,sump,pickup, fuel rail, IM
windage tray, and oil filter housing


needs
b5 a4 aeb clutch and FW

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Postby Frank the quattro tank » Wed May 05, 2010 12:23 pm

You going 01A or E for the transmission?
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Postby my2000apb » Wed May 05, 2010 12:37 pm

not sure, i have a urS o1e that i may use so i can stay rear locker

is there any combo where i can keep a center locker?
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Postby my2000apb » Wed May 05, 2010 1:42 pm

ok light body work round one

so there were some minor dings and dents, although im really not too worried as this car will be mostly a winter /snow / ski day/ occasional parts runner car. I really just wanted to get some fresh color and seal up the body panels a bit as some past repairs had started peeling etc.

the PO had also removed the door trim so i had to go ahead and finish the job by removing the rest of the adhesive.

the battery tray was also pretty rusty so i cleaned that up and hit it with some paint. and i had a broken tailight, thanks Jim, glibobbo21, for the replacement.

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Postby my2000apb » Wed May 05, 2010 1:42 pm

ok so i got all the door adhesive removed with a 3m wheel on the power drill, the goo with a little remover, flew right off. so we got the car all taped up and started in on the primer, filler primer and lots of it! so we got it primed and sanded a few times and now its ready for paint, on to the pics!!!

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Postby my2000apb » Wed May 05, 2010 1:42 pm

ok prep is done, onto the paint!


color selection is....






SAFETY ORANGE, yes you heard right, as this will be primarily a winter car, i want the car to be very easily visible, i dont want anyone running into me and i want to be seen easily when im hammering down the road in a blizzard ahahaha

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Postby audidub » Wed May 05, 2010 4:34 pm

enough talking about pics, put some up already :pics:
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Postby WOMBAT » Wed May 05, 2010 4:41 pm

I'm glad to hear you were able to get both the cars into good hands 8) sorry for dropping out!
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Postby my2000apb » Thu May 06, 2010 11:58 am

my2000apb wrote:not sure, i have a urS o1e that i may use so i can stay rear locker

is there any combo where i can keep a center locker?



bueller?
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Postby Frank the quattro tank » Thu May 06, 2010 12:57 pm

Not as far as I know, unless you sourced a European Typ 81/5 80 quattro GTE gearbox (any post-facelift Typ 85 Audi 80 quattro *should* be a 4 cylinder, though the first 80 quattros, according to wikipedia.de/kaleu-koch.de, were 5 cylinders), but then you would still have an 016 (I'm not sure whether that matters to you). I don't believe that there are any center-locking differential 01E gearboxes.
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Postby my2000apb » Thu May 06, 2010 2:00 pm

Frank, an 016 would still be a fine gearbox for the application, im only planning on running 200-225 whp out of the 16vT. even turning up the wick a bit, the trans should def be able to handle it, itd never see over 300 whp, as itll be a winter / snow /ski trip beast etc, not a daily, not a tracker, a four wheeled snowmobile if you may hahaah


how cars were made with the trans im looking for?
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Postby Frank the quattro tank » Thu May 06, 2010 4:06 pm

No clue... I would assume a decent amount, but I have no clue about GTE quattro production figures in Europe.
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Postby my2000apb » Fri May 07, 2010 10:29 am

ok so i remember reading a thread here about center vs rear lockers and what people prefer in winter conditions, torsen center and locker rear? whats the best combo?
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Postby audidub » Sat May 08, 2010 5:02 am

:pics: :pics: hey thanks for the beer!! did that amount to about one cord of beer?
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Postby glibobbo21 » Sat May 08, 2010 5:22 am

i like lockers personally but never DIDNT like the torsen...all this talk about paint and no pics
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Postby bimmerboy » Sat May 08, 2010 5:22 am

my2000apb wrote:ok so i remember reading a thread here about center vs rear lockers and what people prefer in winter conditions, torsen center and locker rear? whats the best combo?


Locker ftw.
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Postby my2000apb » Sat May 08, 2010 10:00 am

so in theory i can source a 016 4 cyl locker trans from europe, then its a 4.55 box so id need a 4.55 rear diff as well.

but, would that be such a short ratio it would suck? im looking to make this an 80% winter/snow car and occasional parts runner so summer / dry drivability is not a top priority.

id really liek to have both lockers, but i think i may use my urS o1e and have torsen center and locker rear as it will cost me a lot less, and i can keep my rear diff as the o1e is a 4.11 like the oem rear


glibobbo21 wrote:i like lockers personally but never DIDNT like the torsen...all this talk about paint and no pics


how under vs over steery is the torsen center and locker rear?

im on a friends computer, as soon as i get mine online again, pics galore!!!!

fwiw itll be studded snows all winter



bimmerboy wrote:Locker ftw.


any idea how to do this for center and rear w/o a 4.55 uber short ratio european gear box?






or should i just weld the center diff and have the rear so i can turn it off and on hahhahahaha




leaning towards turbo 16v/ ABA , urS o1e, 4kq locker rear diff.
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Postby my2000apb » Sat May 08, 2010 10:16 pm

im waiting to get my personal computer back to post all the pics, but heres a sneak preview

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Postby bimmerboy » Sun May 09, 2010 4:01 am

Um well you can stay 5 cylinder. or Weld up an 01a. If you are really only going to use it in the winter, it wouldn't be too big of a hassle
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Postby my2000apb » Sun May 09, 2010 2:00 pm

bimmerboy wrote:Um well you can stay 5 cylinder. or Weld up an 01a. If you are really only going to use it in the winter, it wouldn't be too big of a hassle


ill be going O1E with the un welded torsen center, yeah itll prob see some dry road duty for parts runs etc, i think mega burly studded snows will help more than a locked center, and ill still have a rear locker
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Postby dubsmith » Sun May 09, 2010 3:02 pm

Haha sweet color man!.. If you're worried about the torsen center and getting stuck in the snow i have a trick for you. Lock the rear then gently apply pressure to the brake while trying to pull away. If you have one wheel spinning free you won't go anywhere. Applying the brake helps send torque to the non slipping wheels. At least thats how it was explained to me. I've never gotten stuck using that method. I've drove my avant into snow so deep the doors drug when i opened it. Stopped, then pulled right out no problem.

Though a locker is nice...
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Postby my2000apb » Sun May 09, 2010 3:07 pm

yeah id really love a center locker, but its not toooo feasible at this point, money wise, and the fact that i can put this together with almost all partss that i have.

eventually ill jsut weld the o1e in the center hahaa
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Postby my2000apb » Mon May 10, 2010 11:21 pm

I was able to stop by audidubs to pick up a 16v motor for mockup into my 4kq, ill be using the head and bolting it to an ABA bottom end down the road.

today i got a chance to start stripping it down and cleaning it up
i will also be using a used custom IM from a friends previous 16v project, ill just need to put and endcap, vac bungs and a throttle body flange on it

for exhaust manifold ill be cutting the fifth runner off of a 3b manifold. fitment is perfect and allows me to use the nice audi factory wastegate.

the clutch had felt pretty soft in the short time ive driven it, so upon digging into it i realized the firewall is cracked about 2" across just above the master cylinder, so jim to the rescue again, with a firewall brace. its a lot better but the clutch does like to come right back up, we think the slave cylinder is on its way out

so we went down the road and blew a few donuts ahah

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Postby glibobbo21 » Tue May 11, 2010 5:05 am

nice brace:-D
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Postby WOMBAT » Tue May 11, 2010 6:46 am

hahaha yes safety orange!!
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